Updated: Jan 29, 2019
Do you have Highly Sensitive clients? It's important as therapists to be able to recognize and connect with them. Today we chat with special guest Patricia Young to talk about connecting with our sensitive clients.
Patricia Young is a wonderful resource to us since she herself is a HSP and is able to shed light on this sometimes tricky subject. Our discussion leads to an understanding of what a highly sensitive person is, and how to identify and help them. We also talk about introversion and ways we can model repair work, conflict resolution and resilience in our therapy sessions.
Tune in here or on iTunes! There is also an edited transcript below!
Leanne Peterson: I’m so excited to talk to our guest, Patricia, because she has started a private practice. She started January of 2017, and it sounds like, Patricia, you’ve kind of been figuring things out and what your niche is. I’m big into we’ve got to find our niche, and we’ve got to work from there. So I can’t wait to hear about all the things you’re up to with your own practice, and then we’ll get more into how are you bringing yourself to the work, and what does that piece look like. But let’s start out with you telling people about your journey, because a lot of our listeners are either just starting practices, or maybe they don’t have their niche established yet. So we’re kind of all in this place of figuring things out. I’d love to hear how you’ve been going along, and where you were before you started your private practice, and where your private practice is now.
Patricia Young: Thanks, Leanne, for having me. I’m really glad to be here. I was working for a hospital for 9 years before I came into private practice, and had something pretty unexpected happen. At the time, I would have told you it was something really terrible. In retrospect, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. So I took some time to figure out what I wanted to do, and I started a private practice, like you said, in January of 2017. I started out getting referrals from an agency that does in-home counseling and I got certified by Medicare to be a Medicare provider. It was great. It filled me up right away and I was able to jump right in.
Over the course of time, though, I discovered, I’m not sure when I discovered I was a highly sensitive person, but it became really clear that that’s the population that I wanted to work with. It’s taken me probably a year to pull my website together, to find my point of view. I’ve been making tons of videos, and I’m just getting ready to launch a podcast about sensitivity, to really provide some education for folks.
So it’s meant having to do a number of pivots, which I think is really important when we go into private practice, because we think it’s going to look one way, and oftentimes we have to keep doing these pivots and shifting, and even going back to how I started into private practice at the time, it really felt like it was the worst thing in my life. I didn’t get fired. I just would never have imagined to be in the place that I’m at today, and it was really a gift.
What do you think was so scary about starting a private practice that made it feel like the worst thing ever?
I’m kind of a low-risk taker, and my plan had been to stay at the hospital forever and probably retire. I’m really risk aversive, and I had started a private practice in 2007. I took a course that said, “Do this stuff and you can have a thriving practice.” I realized that there was a whole skillset that I didn’t have, and it was kind of disappointing and frustrating. So the thought of having to generate all of these new things felt really intimidating at the time.
What I found out is, as I take each one step by step, it really ends up being very doable and very manageable.
I love that you’re sharing that with us because it can feel overwhelming, all the pieces at one time. It’s like you have to do all these things right now. No one can do that. But when you take it piece by piece and step by step, and find the things you like—I know we were talking in our emails before we did this, if there was video or not video, and I said, “No, I like doing podcasting because I don’t have to get ready for it.” I can just kind of jump on and speak. I don’t have to worry about my hair, my makeup, what I’m looking like, all those things. For me that’s very workable, whereas someone else might really love the video because they love being in front of the camera. So it’s also, I think, finding the pieces that fit really well for you.
Absolutely. Although I will make a confession: I did do a video the other day, and I put it on Facebook. It’s on my website, and my YouTube channel. I’ve got my bathrobe on. Like, I got up and combed my hair. I just had something to say, so I really like it when I’ve got makeup and look really polished, but hey, if I’ve got something to say, I’ve got something to say.
Right? And that is a good reminder, you know, we’ve got to share when it comes to us, how it comes to us, just getting our content out there.
You know, that’s something I really loved and why I wanted to speak with you, because in looking at your website and kind of peeking around at your stuff, you’re very authentic. It feels like you really bring yourself to your work, and to your clients, and let people see you. I wonder, is that something that just naturally came to you? Is that a decision you made? How do you decide how much of yourself you’re bringing to the world?
Well, I think I’m the poster child for vulnerability. However, I’m very mindful about it, and because I felt so isolated and alone as a kid growing up, being a highly sensitive person, we’re only about 20% of the population, and I only found out within the last few years that I’m an HSP, which is Highly Sensitive Person. So I have such a passion about having other people feel like they’re not alone, and I think when we’re deep thinkers, and we process a lot, especially if you overlay some trauma on that, the messaging that we get is so negative. We get it from the outside, then we internalize it, we beat ourselves up constantly, that perfectionism, I’m not good enough, who are you to have a voice? As I started to do my own healing and find out that I wasn’t alone, I just have such strong feelings about wanting to model what it looks like to struggle. What you do when you show up, even if you don’t know what you're doing, or you’re in process, and really wanting people to have that experience.
Like you said, you have a sense of who I am, and we’ve never met. Because it’s a part of me that I’m willing to show. Am I going to tell you everything? Of course not. I feel very mindful about what I show, but what are you going to say? “Man, you’re really sensitive. You’re really vulnerable.” And I go, “Yeah. And?”
I also think this is such a good lesson for people who are trying to find their niche, and find their thing. I often think our best work is to look at what’s happening in your life, and what lessons you’re learning, and how can you share those with others? So for me, The Inspired Therapist came from this place of I’m figuring out I’m running a practice, I’m figuring it out and building a business. Oh my goodness, I’d like to share that with other therapists, and kind of go through that process alongside other therapists, and kind of be in that work. It sounds like for you, getting a really good awareness of who you are helped point you to who you want to work with, because you’ve allowed yourself to a.) do your own process, and b.) share that with others and say, “Hey, this is where I’m at, and this is what I learned, and I don’t want you to have to be alone like I felt alone, and you don’t have to struggle with this.”
Exactly. I think in graduate school, we really get the message that we’re supposed to be blank slates, that it’s not okay to self-disclose with clients. Obviously depending on the population and what you’re theoretical orientation is, you need to be mindful. And I’m not talking about sharing just because you want to connect or you’ve got something to say, but with the population that I work with, mindful self-disclosure creates so much trust, and often, the population that I work with didn’t get the mirroring and validation. And that’s so much of what the healing process is. So I really have such strong feelings about like we can show up and be who we are and be professional and have boundaries but still be authentic.
What does mindful sharing mean to you? How do you decide what you want to share and what you don’t want to share?
I always have to check in with myself, because sometimes someone will say something, and I’m like, “Oh I just experienced that,” or, “Oh, I wanna….” So I have to do a check, is this because I want to share because I’m excited, or is this something that’s going to be helpful to the client? I do that check, and more often than not, I probably hold back. But I also, you know, I had a client, and I was really misattuned with the client, and it’s a new client. And I owned the fact that I was really misattuned and apologized, and then I felt like I was digging myself into a hole, and I just owned it. “I’m feeling sensitive about how you’re responding. I want to be mindful, and I’m not really sure how to do the best repair work.” But it felt important to communicate that. I wanted to be authentic, and let her know, “We screw up as therapists, and I’m not ashamed.” I felt bad, but you know, it happens.
And how’d she respond to that? Because I know my own self. Fear often gets in the way of being that honest about my process, because I might know I’m in it, and I might be doing the repair work, but to say, “Oh my gosh, I messed up.” I think that’s another level of vulnerability that not all of us, myself included, are the best at. So you know, in those moments, when you are like that with clients, what do you normally get as a response to that honesty?
It meant having to sit through the session, because this client got pretty activated, and I needed to allow her to have a room to process. In the end, what it did was it created a sense of safety. So what the client shared with me was that she was wanting to leave. She wasn’t going to. I talked about, “What can we do to create this as being a safe place for you?” So I allowed her to have her process. I owned what my stuff was. We talked about repair work, and I also talked about, you know, I would imagine that she’d be feeling pretty angry. If I had a therapist, and they thought something about me that was not true, and I felt like I was being vulnerable, I’d feel pretty angry.
So I just owned what I own in the moment, and I said, “It’s very possible that when you leave, you may end up feeling pretty angry with me, and that’s okay. I can tolerate the anger. The relationship can tolerate the anger. And we can talk about it when you come back next time.”
I think, when we put words to what’s going on, or what could be going on, we create so much safety for our clients. What happens in the therapy room is exactly what happens outside in life. We’re just teaching how to do it in a safe way.
I love that. I thank you for sharing, because again, I think we always, even with our colleagues, we share a highlight reel, but we don’t always share those tricky situations where we’re having to figure out how to repair in the best way, and to sit with some of that emotion that comes up from our clients. And you know, there really is, like you said in grad school, there’s this idea, again, the blank slate, you’re just this board for things to happen upon. But we do have our stuff, and we’re bringing our own things, and we’re bringing our own interpretations, and sometimes we’re right on and the client feels really heard. Sometimes we’re way off, and they feel really invalidated. So when we’re in those situations, how do we find our way back out, and how do we do it in a way that’s repairing, not avoiding?
Well, and what happens is it’s so validating for a client—again, it depends on who your client population is, and what your orientation is—but what happens, our clients pick up on this stuff sometimes, and if we don’t own it, we don’t create safety for them. Often, they will pick up on something that we’re experiencing. They don’t have the awareness it’s going on, and often they don’t have the ability to put words to it. But if we recognize that we’ve got a buzz on it, I mean, I’m a great therapist, but I’ll tell another story on myself.
I had a client, and it was just a day where I was really reactive, and the client shared something, and I kind of jumped into wanting to fix the problem. Client got very reactive. It’s someone I’ve been working with for over a year, and I was able to pause and go, “You know, I’m really reactive, today, and I’m sorry. So can we start over and do some repair work?” Had I not done that, I don’t think the relationship would have been the same. I remember just shifting in my position, and the client, it’s a home visit client, and the client said, “Are you leaving?”
So you can see the level of injury that this client had, that if I’m reactive and the client gets defensive, then I’m going to leave the client. So we really had a chance to do repair work, and I’m like, “I’m human.” And we talked about, “You know, I’ve been seeing you for a year, year and a half. Has this ever happened before? No. I’m human. I make mistakes. I had a day where I was reactive. I’m really sorry.” And we jumped ahead and did repair work.
Nice. Just like you said, how freeing it is for the client. One of my favorite quotes is, “On the other side of the words left unsaid lies our freedom.”
And what you’re saying really says that to me, like to say in the room, to vocalize it for yourself, but mainly for the client, to say, “Hey, here’s what’s happening in the room. And we can talk about it without things falling apart. And we can talk about it without me leaving. We can come back and process it more.” I think sometimes it feels like if we upset our clients, we’ve failed them. I think what you’re shedding light on is if we upset our clients, it’s just part of the work, and it still means we get to keep going with the work. We don’t always know, you know, sometimes I’ll show up to a client in a way, and I’m thinking, “Why am I showing up like this? This isn’t, talk about blank slate, this isn’t my stuff.” Or, “This is me reacting but not in a way I normally would.” So again, the more I can be transparent about that with clients, the more we can look at it, and be like, “Hmm, what’s this dynamic about?” Because I think it’s really in the dynamic that we find the answers that the client’s looking for, not just in our brilliant insights and reflections back to them.
Well, and I think that’s where sometimes therapists get tripped up. I hope I don’t step on any toes. I think often therapists that are younger feel like they have to rely on research and theory, and really therapy is about the relationship between the client and the therapist, and when we allow ourselves to be authentic, and human, and imperfect, and make mistakes, we create so much safety for our clients, and we’re modeling imperfection, and we model how to do repair work. That’s why our clients come to us, because they struggle with relationships. How are they going to learn to fix them if we can’t allow ourselves our own imperfection, and teach them and model how to do that repair work?
I would say you’re very good at repair work, or very comfortable with it in terms of, “Hey, I’m diving into it.” I’m wondering where that came from. Is this how you’ve always been, or is it a skill you built over time as a therapist?
I think I’ve always been a deep thinker and a deep processor. I think I’m pretty good about owning my stuff. Probably in the beginning, I probably owned more stuff that wasn’t mine. As I’ve learned about being an HSP, I’ve been in and out of therapy for years, I’ve got trauma from childhood. My point is, I’m always working on it. I don’t know if getting older, I’m in my 50s now, and I can remember being young and having an older woman that I really admired, I’m like, “How can she just say what’s on her mind? You can’t do that.” And I feel like I’ve gotten to the point where it’s like, like I said before, what are you going to do? What are you going to say about me? And I go, “Yeah. Uh-huh.”
I wish I had a perfect formula that I can tell you, but I think the more we’re willing to show up imperfectly, and be in process around people that can support us, that aren’t going to step on us, chew us up, and spit us out, the more we learn that, our imperfection is really what connects us, and when we put on this face of, “I’m fine. How are you? I’m fine,” we have no connection. There’s no authenticity. There’s no vulnerability. Vulnerability is really courage. It’s about being uncomfortable. It’s about being uncertain. It’s about being emotional-risking. Every time we do that a little bit, and we do it with people that can respond positively with us, it just increases that skill. It’s a skill that we learn. It’s not something that we’re born with.
I love that, and you know, one thing I’ve been thinking on vulnerability that just makes me think of it is, you know, there’s a lot of talk about it, and Brené Brown and being vulnerable, and all these things, and one thing I realized is it’s not about being more vulnerable. It’s about accepting our vulnerability. Because we are vulnerable. Like, in that room, things are coming up, so whether we address them and are brave and step into them, or try to hide them, they’re there. So to me, vulnerability is, in this context, more about stepping into our humanity versus trying to hide our humanity. Because we’re vulnerable. We’re human. So instead of trying to pretend we’re not, let’s embrace that we are and keep it moving honestly.
Well, and I think, and this is Brené Brown’s stuff, and she talks about three skills that you need for vulnerability, and I could get this wrong, but I think it’s the uncertainty, the emotional risk, and I don’t know what the other one was. But if you’re in the therapy room and something comes up that makes you uncomfortable, it’s okay to not know, it’s okay to be emotionally uncomfortable, and to allow people to see where we’re at. That’s what courage is. You can’t have courage without any of those three things. To me, that’s what constitutes vulnerability.
I love that reminder. A lot of us, especially thanks to Brené Brown, know in our work, we want to be helping people to become brave, and to embrace their vulnerability and to bring that to their lives. If we’re asking others to do that, that’s what we need to be doing.
Again, that’s a big part of The Inspired Therapist, is how are we showing up to do our work so that we can do the best work with others. What you’re sharing is so powerful, and it sounds like that’s a lot of what’s informed your ability now to sit with clients in this vulnerable open way. “Hey, I’ve done my work. I’ve sat on the other side. I know how it feels. I know what it’s like. And I’ve shown up there, so I can show up here differently.”
Yeah, it means calling out the shame, too, because you can’t have vulnerability if you’re not working on your shame. For me, shame is about, I often call shame my gremlins, and I’ve got a number of videos where my gremlins were up. I just usually try to hop on and make a video, because again, if we don’t talk about the shame, it gets bigger, and bigger, and bigger. When we are able to say, “This is what the voices in my head are saying,” it takes the power away. I think those are the ways we dial down and really get clear on who we are.
But the messaging that we get from society is that if I tell you what the voices in my head are saying, you’re going to validate it. Because shame is about who we are. I’m not okay. I’m a mistake. As we learn to make those little risks, I think it really builds up the sense of who we are, and feeling more okay with ourselves.
Exactly, that hand-in-hand work, and that reminder that no matter where you are in your life and your career, we’re always having to show up and do the work, and figure this out, and work on our shame. Because if you’ve been doing this work a lot, you’ve been in therapy, you’ve been doing therapy, you have a rhythm going, and you still have shame gremlins that pop up that you're speaking of, because we all still have it. It’s like how are we addressing it?
Absolutely. Any time we push that growth curve, if it’s going for a new job, or a new relationship, or we’re stepping up in our business, the gremlins are going to come up. They’re going to do everything to say, “Who do you think you are, and you have no right doing this,” and just recognizing that that’s what’s going on, and putting language to it really helps to tame them. It doesn’t make them go away. Therapy is not,going to fix your life. You’re not going to have a perfect life. But you’re going to learn to lean into the times that are difficult, and learn some tools, and then when you have the times that are great, you’re going to ride them and enjoy them.
But we’re always going to have gremlins. We’re always going to be growing. We’re going to have blissful times, and we’re going to have times when we don’t feel as great. That’s just what life is about.
Very well said. I love that way of looking at therapy. We’re helping people lean into the hard times, and ride the waves of the good times.
So what has inspired you the most in your practice? You’ve mentioned showing up now for almost two years, right?
What keeps you inspired in your practice, and what keeps you going in this very scary, vulnerable journey that you embarked on?
Once I got really clear about wanting to focus on HSPs and getting my point of view, I just feel like things have gotten so exciting. With this podcast, it’s really awakened my curiosity. I just can’t wait to interview people, and to find out more things, then to be able to share that with clients. So finding what the need is, and then wanting to meet that need, and coming from a place of service is just kind of in alignment with who I am. I love resources. I love sharing information.
Wonderful. Can you tell us a little bit about, in our own practices, how do we know we’re encountering a highly sensitive person? And what should we do with that? Of course, this isn’t long enough for you to give use the entire rundown, but I always think it’s good to have an awareness of, “Hey, if someone’s saying these things, you might want to look into the fact they’re highly sensitive.” And then do more research.
About half of people in therapy are highly sensitive people. So your folks that get there on time, that are conscientious, that always pay you, that do their homework, the ones that think about what you have to say, that generally have content when they come in. Those are your highly sensitive people. I often say the people that have been told they’re too, T-O-O, too much, too sensitive, too needy, too picky, they think too much, they worry too much, they can’t take a joke, they get overwhelmed very easily. There’s a lot of misdiagnosis with anxiety and depression, and sometimes ADHD with your highly sensitive folks. They often think they’re introverts. And some of them are. 70% of highly sensitive people are introverts. 30% are extroverts, but when you add the layer of sensitivity over that, you're going to get more overwhelmed, more overstimulation, they tend to be pretty compassionate, loyal, great workers, great friends. But there’s a lot of negative messaging that we get from our culture about why sensitivity is not okay and why it’s a weakness.
So it sounds like, this is probably wrong to say, but it sounds like highly sensitive people are our favorite clients, the ones like you said, who are showing up, doing the work, and coming prepared.
Yep. Highly sensitive people respond much better than non-HSPs to positive interactions and positive environments. The same is true for negativity and negative environments. So you don’t need to do a lot of confrontation with your HSPs. They already know what’s going on. They’ve got the self-criticism, they’ve go the perfectionism, they want to think things through and figure it out until they get it right. So with your HSPs, you really want to do a lot of validation and reframing. That HSPs have been told, “You ruminate too much, you think too much.” The reframe is, “You’re deep thinkers. You’re processing.” We discriminate with information, but we’re often told we’re judgmental or negative. It’s a fact that we take in more information than other people do, and we’re constantly filtering. Your HSPs probably have a hard time sleeping. They have a hard time unwinding, a hard time transitioning. So becoming familiar with the trait of being highly sensitive, if you are a therapist, is really important, because the way you respond to these folks can really make a difference in their treatment.
Again, it’s what we were talking about, repairs within the session. But it’s like we want to be that repair within their experience. Saying, “Hey, we’re not going to keep saying you should be different. We’re going to embrace who you are.” And that’s one mantra I’ve definitely embraced in my practice, and I think it’s helpful to keep in mind for everyone. We want to stop resisting ourselves.
I’ll have clients come in like, “I just want to focus better. I want to be able to focus really well.” I’m like, “Well, have you ever been able to focus really well, like when you were younger? Were you good at focusing?” And they’re like, “No, I’ve never been able to.” And I’m like, “Okay, so we’re going to have to learn how to work with who you are. You can’t focus really well, so do you need to use a timer? Do you need to do things in smaller chunks? What would make you still productive within who you are?” And with highly sensitive people, it sounds a lot like that. We don’t need to change who you are. We need you, as a highly sensitive person, to be able to acknowledge who you are and not see it as a deficit, but see the strength inherent within that.
Absolutely. I think this is where it’s really important that therapists have some information about HSPs, because often your HSP’s going to tell you about feeling overwhelmed, or not being able to attend functions, or feeling like it’s too much. A therapist not HSP-knowledgeable is probably going to push them into doing something that may create more overstimulation and anxiety than is necessary.
So what would you say to an HSP?
Well, this is kind of a big question for something that’s small, because HSPs need to figure out how to find that balance, so it’s not about, “I’m an HSP and I can’t leave my house because the world is too overwhelming and too overstimulating.” It’s about figuring out what makes it more manageable. How many activities work for you to do in a day? Can you do a smaller venue? Can you go for a short amount of time? If you have a partner, can you bring two cars so you can go for the amount of time that you need and then leave? Can you go with a buddy?
I thought I had social anxiety for most of my life. What I think happened is I probably got so over-aroused, and so overstimulated. Our nervous systems are wired differently than non-HSPs. But without knowing that’s what was going on, I just felt flooded and thought, “I can’t do social things.” Once I learned I was an HSP, I was able to reframe that, and I’m an extrovert, and I love being around people. But for many, many years, I thought I had social anxiety. I went to practitioners who reinforced the fact that I was anxious, I was depressed. I mean, I really was very misdiagnosed, and it really was not very helpful.
We’ll be looking forward to your HSP course for therapists, that you’ll come out with eventually!
So that we can all be aware of how we can best serve people, and really help them, not, like you said, mislabel and kind of, you know, I love that book, Quiet. It speaks about introverts and how the world values extroverts, and says extroverts are smarter, and better, because the traits that extroverts have, we view those as somehow superior than what introverts bring. But that’s not true. It’s just the perception. It just reminds me about highly sensitive people, too, like there’s no value on any of these things, it’s just this is the way it is, and can we help people embrace that? Can we, as therapists, not be part of the problem of mislabeling and forcing how quote-unquote “other people” do it onto someone who’s highly sensitive, who, like you said their brain is even wired different.
Right. It’s interesting that Susan Cain actually overlapped high sensitivity in her description of introverts. Dr. Elaine Aron is the one that coined the trait high sensitivity, and she has a number of books if you're highly sensitive or interested. She has a book that talks about all the research, gives you ideas on the best way to work with HSPs. She has a website, it’s hsperson.com. There’s a quiz there. You can see if you’re highly sensitive. There’s research. You can find HSP knowledgeable therapists. It’s a wonderful resource.
But she spoke with Susan Cain when Susan Cain was writing the book, Quiet, and talked about the fact that Susan Cain was overlaying many of the traits of sensitivity within introverts, so even her description of introverts really has an overlay of sensitivity.
That’s really interesting. We’re going to put the link to the book for therapists, Working with Highly Sensitive People, in the notes below, so if you’re interested in looking into more of that. As a therapist, I think this is a really great thing for us to be thinking of, and educating ourselves around, and I love, it’s exactly what you said. The book is called, Psychotherapy and the Highly Sensitive Person: Improving Outcomes for That Minority of People Who Are the Majority of Clients.
Which is exactly what you said, and it’s that good reminder that, you know, if you’re hearing this and you’ve never even heard the term highly sensitive, if you didn’t know there was such a thing as a highly sensitive person, then this is a great opportunity for you to look into this more, and to learn how do you in your practice become aware of this, and help people out if they’re highly sensitive? Again, in a way that’s sensitive to their needs.
Well, you’ve given us so many great things. I could talk to you forever. But I feel like we’ve gotten so much from what you’ve shared. I thank you so much for being, again, so authentic, and honest, and vulnerable in what you’ve shared with us, and thank you for modeling that for us as therapists how we can share with others, and just be real about our experiences. I remember in grad school, something that frustrated me was most of the people in my class had been in therapy. We never spoke about that part of it.
And I think that our education system for therapists is doing a disservice not bringing that up, because like you said, there’s so much information and wealth in there. First off, there’s information for us: who can I serve? Who do I understand? Who am I interested in helping? Who can I maybe guide a little bit better because I’ve been there? Not saying we have to be there to guide people, but I also think there’s insight that comes through what we’ve experienced, and that’s really amazing when we can bring that forward. But the other thing, too, is when we share our experiences, the things we’ve struggled or dealt with, it informs other therapists, too, of how they can help other people. You know, they might not have experienced it, but to know a colleague who has experienced it in a topic area they’re not used to, can be so helpful. So I think we’re doing a disservice by not being more open about the things that we’ve faced, and gone through with each other, so we can all open our eyes to more of these things.
Patricia, I’d love to hear more about your podcast and what you're doing with that. Can you tell us what your podcast is about?
I would love to. It’s called Unapologetically Sensitive. It’s a weekly podcast where we explore how sensitivity weaves itself into our lives. We talk about the richness that it adds, the strengths we have because of our sensitivity, and some of the challenges it poses as well. I’ll be interviewing a bunch of people. I’ve got solo episodes. The first episode, I recorded all the fears that were coming up for me before I launched the podcast, so you get a peek into my little gremlin-y head. And I’m hoping people will love it and it’ll resonate with people.
I love it, and the logo that the woman did for me, it just makes my heart sing every single time I see it.
I love it when that comes together. That’s another thing I want people to hear. Sometimes things are not working, or they’re not coming together right, or the name you wanted was taken. Just remember, hey, often we’re being redirected in the right direction, so when things aren’t working out, it doesn’t always mean stop, but it doesn’t also mean push. It means wait and see what am I being told here, and where am I being led, and how can I find my path?
Well, thank you so much for being on the podcast. We have a link to Patricia’s podcast below, so check out her podcast, check out that book if you want to learn more about highly sensitive people. I’m so gunning for Patricia to do a CEU course for all of us, so let’s stay tuned for that. I cannot wait to hear more from you, Patricia, as you keep building your practice and growing your presence.
Check out Patricia here: https://patriciayounglcsw.com/
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